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blank for a minute, record to the cloud.

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Perfect.

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Joining us today from my team.

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JOHN Robertson the assistant dean for instructional design emergency emerging technologies, has the longest title and Karen Park is our associate director and then Debbie and I are both instructional designers, I get the crown because today is my day.

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And so I get to be special.

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Today we will be diving into panopto, which is going to I've kind of broken it up into a couple different sections. The first being that technical.

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The second is going to be a lot more practical, how do I make my video look good. How do I maybe trim up a little bit, make myself look younger, not really that you can try.

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And then afterwards we will have some time for q&a or any additional tutorials, you can ask very specific questions and I can pull some stuff as well.

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But, as this is going to be slightly more interactive, make sure you're looking out for that tutorial duck, which is more for myself to remind me that I want to walk through something more than in the PowerPoint, but we're going to go ahead and send him

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on his way.

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And as a disclaimer I'm a trained professional please not overload animated icons text, images or other objects into your course presentations or lecture videos at this time.

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Thank you keep your hands on his feet and legs inside, and we will give this a go. So first off, what is Panopto, and the last random thing that I'm going to do before I actually get into what it is, is the odd connection, they have to be word which

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has stuck with me ever since I learned it derives from the idea of a panopticon, which is the image on the screen right now. It's a prison where all of the prisoners have their own individual cells and you have a centralized guard tower in the middle.

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So essentially, you get the most visibility of all the prisoners, at one point while being able to stash as little as possible.

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I'm not trying to relate are like how we run our school to prison.

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So get that out of your minds right away.

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But just this kind of idea that everything is visible everything is accessible, and maybe on the flip side that everybody has as much access to your centralized course content.

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As we can see, I just made that one up on the fly, trying to think of the positive of calling it a prison.

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So, I'm not fired yeah this is great.

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So what is an octo it does a couple of things for us, where zoom is kind of our, our technical tool for presenting live in a classroom and all that stuff.

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And it'll also work as kind of a content archive on the web so it'll store a lot of our videos and allow us to then show it elsewhere as well.

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So there is a desktop application that you can download for Conoco, there is a link here, which if somebody also wants to add that to the chat and not super monitoring it because that chat will be recorded on my screen.

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But if you want to access the PowerPoints afterwards as well. I'm pretty sure we'll be making them available.

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So I have included the link here as well.

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There is also a way to access it via the web within your Canvas course for your courses.

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There is a website specifically, which is su hosted Conoco calm.

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also there's a way to connect with with zoom which we'll be talking about a little bit more.

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In our zoom one on one session in two weeks but I will also hit on a little bit today.

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So how do I use an octo in my course.

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The first thing you're going to notice is that plateau might not be in your course. I might be missing, a lot of times the way you'll typically see it is right here, if this is a screen grab from of course you want to be able to find your top two videos

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just straight on the bar.

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It doesn't always enabled so if you don't see it on that list, you will have to navigate down to your course settings underneath and navigation tab, and then you'll be able to drag and drop from a list.

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Underneath the navigation tab, and then you'll be able to drag and drop from a list. This is essentially all your items that show up on your navigation tab, you'll have to enable there which I will show you how to do momentarily as well, and then making sure

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we hit the Save button so that it applies there.

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Once that is enabled, you'll be able to pop into the panoptic Video tab, and you'll be able to access your courses very specific very own handy dandy little Canvas page.

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And its own unique course folder within the octo cloud, and all of that. So we're going to take this time. Thanks little demo Doc, to kind of show you what that looks like.

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So in my little mock course. I do have not do a video enabled. But if I didn't, I would go into settings,

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wait for it to load for a little bit because I'm also streaming. my face to the world.

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And if something you wanted in your navigation bar doesn't show up, like say I want to have students had access to my syllabus, you would hit the three dots and then enable it, it would show up here you can move it around in your little list of where

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everything shows up when you do want to make sure you save this list.

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From the top the video tab you have a lot of different options.

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This will kind of centralize, a nice little place where you can either record videos directly to your course or launch your application if you've installed the desktop specific version for your computer.

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So we can create either see I have downloaded for my Mac so I have the option to start it in the application I can also do it directly from the web browser.

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I can upload media that maybe I've recorded through other software into here as well.

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And then we can kind of work within sub folders and playlists and different things, your canvas folder will be linked automatically. So every time you have a course there will automatically be created a specific folder in panopticon that holds all of

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your video files for the course. So by creating a video through here, it will automatically be linked to your course folder.

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And when you're done students will be able to access it or anybody who's enrolled in this class will be able to watch all your videos in a little list, And it plays nicely with everybody.

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link directly out to Conoco for the web, which we will do for the sake of showing everybody.

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This is an octo it's taken us directly to the folder where all of our videos for this course, our whole are held. Sometimes if you're recording, either in zoom.

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If you're recording your zoom meeting, or if you're just using the desktop app, but haven't synced it to your course it'll go straight to your my folder,

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which has all of your videos in it, and then you can move them around access it from there.

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But we'll get to more kind of nitty gritty stuff in that a little bit later into the presentation as well.

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When you record a video, you're going to want to be able to share it with your students. So there's a couple of different options for doing that. Like I kind of just showed there was the taco tab in your Canvas course that list everything within the folder.

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So, a lot of instructors will record like their zoom lectures, and then make it available for students afterwards. That way that students who either missing lecture or want to review some information that you talked about that week are able to access

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it straight from that tab and and list them all.

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And there's a way to set that to automatically upload as well so it's super easy for you and the students

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videos can also be embedded directly into pages so if you're building out your course content, and maybe you're using Conoco to kind of pre record, either topic, little brief overviews or different things.

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You can also, and I've included a couple tutorial links for how to do this specifically. You can also take your videos, and place them into a page in Canvas.

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you can also do it with a module. So if you're having your students navigate through modules instead of pages. You can add a link to the panopto video that will automatically because of how canvas and cannot do share permissions for that folder that

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all the videos are in.

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Students will all be able to have correct permissions to see your videos another thing you could do is have students use panopto for their assignments.

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So either as more personable way to do a discussion and submit discussions or discussion responses as videos as well as if you have a presentation assignment or an individual presentation or even group presentations, you can have your students get together,

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either on zoom, a lot of times what I've seen students do present their PowerPoint, all kind of talk through it and as long as one students recording, they can then submit their panoptic video within your course through an integration tool that I can

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show you guys later.

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The one thing that I will specify that cannot do will do for us.

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When it stores our videos is that it doesn't use any of our Canvas course storage space.

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So if I'm recording 20 lecture videos for a course, instead of uploading them to Canvas where I only have two or three gigs of storage space craft those a little bit more unlimited so I can link videos and have them communicate through that.

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Put up those a little bit more unlimited so I can link videos and have them communicate through that. Because you two gigabytes will go really fast when you're trying to upload videos alongside all of your PDFs and other documents that you need, students

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As I've mentioned it as I'm doing right now there's also the ability to record from zoom into the cloud.

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So typically, unless you are starting it from your course which I will show later, your recordings will start by being recorded in my folder in Panopto, which is this folder over here.

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Everybody has their own my folder with different categories in them.

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If you want this content in your course, you can either embed it into your course directly like I said in a page or a module, or if you want the video to be viewable to students on the Panopto tab, you'll have to take your video file and move it to your

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courses specific folder, which is fairly painless, but you would have to do it for each individual video asterisk will come back to that later.

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But if you go into the settings of a particular video that you've recorded.

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You would change what folder that the video is housed in.

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So if I click Edit. And I want to say it's going to go in my sandbox.

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I can spell my own name correctly.

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I could then based on my course, and these are names, very similarly to how your courses are named in Canvas as well. You can search their full name or you can search by the department and tag and information, and then search by semester.

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You'll be able to move it into that specific one as well.

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So if for example I move this into a sandbox course

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and refresh my, not to a video tab here

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saying a quick prayer to make sure it works. Hey, it shows up in my Canvas page, and everybody who has access to my Canvas page it students now are able to view the video directly here.

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There is a way, especially when you're talking about zoom lecture recordings you want students to be able to look back on or if they've missed. There's a way that we can set this up to work automatically.

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It's a little bit of a process and every single quarter you'll have to set this up, but it's 1,000% worth it, especially when you're talking about moving videos over the course of a semester.

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So let's say, and this is a little bit into the zoom presentation. Now,

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where I can just do this action.

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If I go into the zoom tab of my course, which again if this isn't enabled you can go into your settings and adjust your navigation, to be able to have your zoom links essentially available to your class.

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This is another nice little plugin, where you can schedule all of your meetings.

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And we'll dive into that more in our zoom session, but essentially what we're going to want to do is when we schedule a recurring meeting every time the same meeting shows up, it's going to share a meeting ID.

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So what we want to tell an octo to do is every time I record is zoom meeting, and the meeting ID is this, so for example I'm going to copy this meeting ID.

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I'm going to want to tell Conoco to do to move it into a specific folder.

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So if I then going to plateau and go under my user settings, and again this is all being recorded so that we can look back on this later. There's also tutorials that will be available on our wiki which we can later.

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So this isn't just one time and then we're going to forget how to do this.

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This is more like a first little taste of it.

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And then as always we can ask questions later.

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But if we go into my user settings.

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We have a cute little meeting import settings area

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with, which is tied to our zoom, which says, Every time I have a rule so if I'm going to add this meeting ID, every time can opt to seize this zoom meeting Id come up comes up.

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I want to say this is going to go.

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if I save that. Every time my account uploads a video with this meeting ID, it'll automatically go into this class.

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So big picture. Let's say I'm teaching English one on one, or whatever the code is, if I have all of my English courses into a list or some instructors will also do this with their office hours as well if I have all of my office hours, under a similar

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Set the meeting ID is always the same.

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Whenever that meeting ID shows up I'm automatically going to put it into my 100 level English course right away.

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And then, when that's done at the end of the quarter, you can either delete this or leave it there because once that meeting studying you're going to see meeting with that similar Id ever again.

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Does anybody have any immediate questions, off of that.

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Otherwise we will have full attention in a q amp a session after

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we will touch on.

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Thank you Mr tutorial duck.

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So that was a lot of technical flyover I probably should have mentioned earlier that this isn't, there's not gonna be a quiz at the end of this video.

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But if there was, I would expect the most score out of all of you.

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This is going to be a little bit more of the kind of mushy like how can I make my videos look good, because we don't all have our own in home video studios green screens.

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Trust me, if I had a green screen I wouldn't be looking to the corner of my room with a giant window behind me.

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We don't always have access to this. So, how can we make our videos look good. How can we feel confident in our videos and how can make videos that are just frankly not as distracting for our students.

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So I have a long list of different tips and tricks that go along with this one common industry tip would be to place your camera just slightly above eye level because if we're trying to be relatable with people you know we're looking people in the eye,

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typically you're seeing eye to eye and that's great.

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Having it just above your head is going to be a little bit more flattering for you, and also students won't be looking up your nose the entire time, which is nice.

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So if you had it in such a harsh angle, that's just a very different look in not as enticing as an instructor over students looking up my nose, and other thing that you're going to want to do is you're going to make sure that just visibly your videos

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nice. So one of the things we're going to want to do is, optimize our lighting for this behind me, which on the PowerPoint I believe it says don't have a light shining into the camera from behind.

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This is my number one. No, no, because what this is doing is this unless I position myself to where I'm like blocking most of it.

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Because I'm just going off of my camera webcam, it's trying to balance the level of light in the shot. So, if I move over here. Suddenly, the, the computers trying to accommodate for this being a lot brighter so my face becomes darker and it wouldn't

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cover it. The light shifts again.

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So creating more of a constant lighting scenario by having a light in front of you into the side.

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It doesn't have to be fancy. I have a lamp here just on my desk and usually I'll angle it a little bit differently. You can also get, you know, fancy dedicated light, you can put up in your setup I think this one was like $20 on Amazon or something, which

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can help immensely just in kind of creating a nice little light and giving yourself and I set up.

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I did say this was nice and from Amazon but it also gives me a little bit of a headache if I'm looking directly at it, so I kind of bounce it off of a wall over here, but just making sure that your lighting.

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Now my camera can't my camera has been too dark.

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See all the things you shouldn't be doing

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all this is just to kind of create a nice even look maybe a little bit of a darker background.

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But just nothing that could potentially be distracting for students, especially like elements in your background, if you're looking at like a very nice organized library like that's cool I wish I had one of those.

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If I'm looking at a super messy room, or I have my bed behind me and it's not made.

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If you look at john no I consider it you got books you got library you got some interesting elements that maybe don't move the camera like that.

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The one thing though is that, like, if you have pets, and I will throw children in with this as well.

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There's going to be things that are unavoidable.

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So, there's no saving you from your cats, one bit of advice that nobody does, but I tell everybody is that you should probably take a test recording of yourself.

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And this is going to save you immensely because I've had a previous universities, I've had a position of just doing video content and walking instructors through how to make their video look great.

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They will record 10 to 20 sessions, all in one go, which like more power to them like that's incredible. I don't have that sort of commitment to it.

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But then they'll go back later when I receive it and either there's a problem with their microphone or something's just really distracting one professor once had like a halo because of a picture is like a potted plant that was behind her, but was like

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sitting perfectly on her head the entire time. Which is fine, but it was also like students might get distracted by this or think it's funny, and he's not the end of the world, but if you take a test recording of yourself, and then look it over see what's

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going to be distracting for you don't care about your performance because you're going to be your own worst critic in that regard.

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But if there's something distracting on video for you, or if you look dark behind the window or different things, maybe consider hammering that out before time giving yourself a little bit of time to figure that out.

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And a lot of that, especially for like live lectures and things.

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Doesn't take a ton of setup.

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A lot of times you kind of have your office figured out where you're going to present figure it out, and you figure out in the first two minutes of class, if your cat's going to be a problem behind you need to kick them out of the room.

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So that is that the last thing, which always comes at the end of it probably should come first, is that despite all of these things going around in your head and needing to perform and making it great for all these people.

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The best thing you can do is just relax and like super cliche, be yourself. Like, it's easier said than done. But if you're relaxed and comfortable with yourself, as you're presenting as you know with teaching probably your first year of teaching.

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You were this stick walking around like maybe unsure, it a lot of it comes with experience, just know that no matter what you put out your students are going to love it.

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They're gonna love you unless you teach statistics, and I was in Atlanta.

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And I see I pay attention during these

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theology professors have it easy though I'd say.

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The next bit, which is maybe a little bit more technical, but the other way that you can make your videos look nice, is to edit them when they're done.

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And don't just immediately say already recorded from zoom to Panopto it automatically syncs to my class, I'm Good.

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There's a lot of little things that we can do to make our videos look and perform that much better.

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A couple of common edits that I suggest is just trimming the very beginning and the very end of your videos because you probably hit record, then you probably like setup did all this stuff did your hair got ready did your hair again, make sure you had

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your water and then you went and just getting that out of the beginning so that students don't have to jump, maybe 15 or 30 seconds in that way when they click on the video, it's just go time for lectures that are being recorded, that you know a lot of

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If you're doing like breakout rooms or different things in your zoom meeting or you have scheduled break where everybody goes and grabs lunch for 10 minutes and comes back to the cameras.

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Editing out that little bit of time is also super helpful for students who are watching it later so they're not just like skipping through to see when people come back and they understand a big deal but it's helpful.

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And then I've had a couple instructors in the past, who have needed to edit out, like maybe they leave the room open a little bit longer students leave for different questions.

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and just if anything is personal and for whatever reason you did leave recording accidentally, making sure that we trim that out as well.

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So how does the editing in Panopto work. Why thank you tutorial deck. I was just thinking the same thing.

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We are going to go in Panopto. I'm going to edit this old video that I have from one of our last presentations, and if you did not take the winter Academy because either you are not here yet.

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That's really the only excuse you have for me. They were wonderful, and access to that content is available on the team on site.

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So to make edits here.

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We have the video that was recorded as well as the PowerPoint.

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And then we have a timeline of all the different words that I said and all the different PowerPoints that are used and all that.

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As you can see here, this little grayed out section is the areas that are cut out. I cut out the beginning, probably a good 15 seconds, and a little bit at the end.

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Doesn't look like I made a mistake in the middle which is a rarity. So that's why I chose this one.

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But if I did need to edit. If you click within this timeline, you can go back to certain points in the video and see all the awkward wonderful faces that you made when you thought you were doing so well like look at this.

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Students are going to see that face.

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And then let's say from like here, when I fade it back to here is a horrible horrible thing.

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I'm just going to click and drag and everything in that gray area is going to be cut out.

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It will jump to the end of that section.

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And then we will hit apply and when we hit Apply it'll re render the video. And then, as, let's say it's posted to your Canvas page, it'll automatically rethink that and make that change for you automatically.

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However, in this case, I do not want that cut.

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You can also see a list of your cut over here in the editor.

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You'll see here's the time codes for it so cut 16 seconds out of the beginning and then another five seconds, out of the end.

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I did also just do this for a presentation that had to be under five minutes, you know as five minutes and 20 seconds.

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So I had to go through and cut out little breaths that I took between all the words, and I got it there was like four minutes and 59 seconds or something.

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It was either that or downloading it in using another editor to speed it up and pretend like I just talked faster but that was a story that you didn't need to hear about but you did.

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So welcome to my session where I get to say what I want

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more tips and tricks for. Yes.

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Sarah Hill: Brennan, when you do those cuts like how you just showed us that those are listed so they're always there. so like how you said you had to cut the 15 minutes. Then could you go back.

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You know what I mean like they're always there they're not deleted permanently. Brennan Stewart: Yeah, they're always there, so like when I clicked into edit the session.

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It has the full video file with everything I recorded but it had saved, like the beginning and the end Sarah Hill: right because that's what you just did you just cut it and then it was still there.

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Is that what I'm hearing. Brennan Stewart: Yeah, so if I, if I'm going through this entire thing sort of cut out these three sections. Right. When I hit apply, it's going to export this little clip that right next to this clip, and then sharing here and do this and then

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that's going to be the video and maybe the video that students are saying, instead of 10 minutes is now seven minutes, guys, but if you need to go in Edit again, you can always drag these and remove them.

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Or make more edits, like you can always add it back. It's just the file that's being published where everybody else can see okay. Sarah Hill: Okay, thank you for clarifying the shortened version.

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Brennan Stewart: Absolutely.

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Any other questions before I continue trudging.

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Lynette Bikos: I have one. I'm just noticing it's so hard to get granular if you're cutting out seconds, does that.

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Zoom thing does it make it so you can see it. Okay, great. Thank you.

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Brennan Stewart: yeah, no, you're good. It doesn't like update a ton of icons along the ways you do kind of have to use the audio visualizer and kind of see like obviously Im taking a breath here.

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I don't cut that out, but different things so kind of knowing when your sections are, if you were going to say just record in one take, and you know, maybe if you make a mistake while you're recording you can kind of write down the times that you can

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come back and listen for it again.

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But you're kind of best trick would be to use these to say, Oh, this section was the one I want to take out.

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Lynette Bikos: Got it. Thanks.

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Brennan Stewart: Yeah, and absolutely zooming in, I think, the closest it goes is about a minute per the width of this. So even if you have like an hour long I think you can still zoom into a minute.

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But yeah.

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Other questions at this time.

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Okay dokey couple more tips and tricks for live video recordings.

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When your students ask questions either if it be in chat or over zoom in general.

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Make sure you repeat the question, so that all students can hear it I know that's a classroom technique as well, but especially, I'm thinking in some videos where you're recording a physical lecture, but you have students who are either going to be zooming

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in, or who are going to be watching a recording of it after and you maybe have your camera in the physical SP classroom where somebody's asking a question maybe isn't going to be as as Audible, making sure the repeat the questions that people who view

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at later, know what the question is and aren't playing Jeopardy with the answer.

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I was a good reference I just saw that my imbalance, was picked to do some Japanese stuff in the future and that was pretty exciting.

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The other thing that I would say, with PowerPoints for digital presentations is to make sure you're doing a larger font size I think this PowerPoint my minimum font sizes 20 so it's a little bit small, especially if you had students who are going to be

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So especially if they're trying to see smaller bits. It's usually better to have larger text and unless text per screen, as it's recording as well.

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And also because panoptic playback if they're going to play it back in a lower quality, a lot of times those smaller words are going to be a little bit easier but the big words they come across well.

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Another thing with just font choice, making sure you use something that's not super fancy.

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So maybe migrating away from Times New Roman into something more sans serif. That being said, times in Romans. Fine, I think, in my opinion, as long as you're not using like character characters and big scrolling Celtic text.

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images, as I've been using. Let me see if I can scroll back to last and I had an image, maybe around two thirds of the screen, especially if it's an important image this one, not so much.

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Two thirds of the screen, would be great if it's much smaller than that it's gonna be a lot harder to see than then having high contrast especially in your text elements, making sure that we're not using maybe like yellow on an orange background or things

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that are going to blend easily, but stuff that really stands out so here, a black or dark blue or a stark orange in this case over a white background is perfect.

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We're going to talk about a couple of trends, which I'm going to fly through cuz I know we're getting up on time. And I do want to make sure we have time for Q&A for people who do you need to leave at the end of this.

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There's a couple of special options that we can talk about later with Panopto I've included a link for further reading down below, if we are coming back on this later, but you can add notes to your panopto video that you can give students access to.

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So maybe if you have notes for further and further reading, not just like notes for yourself as you're presenting it has that option you can also the option to share it with your students.

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There's also a quizzing feature.

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Excuse me within panopto so that you can make a quiz happen in a certain time, and have maybe a couple of questions to either check for understanding or just kind of see where your students are at.

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video, and that's a great tool to use and we can chat about that more later if you have questions about it. Another trend is especially if you're putting videos into your course before students view it, so not like your live lectures, typically jumping

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into smaller videos is going to be a lot better, either students will see an hour video and either feel they don't have time or like it's a big task but if they see for 15 minute videos.

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That's gonna be a lot easier for them to kind of be able to encapsulate each individual topic that you're talking about, amongst other things, so there's a lot of research going on to that none of which is linked, because that is my bad.

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I don't know how to put together a presentation.

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The last thing we will talk about is accessibility.

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Why are some reasons why you would want your videos captions. It's going to improve comprehension, for all learners. I am the annoying person who asked to watch Netflix or Disney plus with the captions just because especially in the nitty gritty shows

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and stuff I want to know what everybody is saying and not have to like process in not use my brain essentially when I'm watching TV.

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So it's going to be beneficial for people who need

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either the multiple modalities so seeing and hearing words. That's going to help people with certain learning disabilities are visual learners, or people with English as a second language or English language learners student accommodations may come to

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you and require that your videos be caption based on request of students in your course.

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Sometimes students may be watching videos where sound isn't allowed like a library or they might just be in a room with like three or four siblings, sitting around a table all taking their own courses, same time, and maybe it's just easier, or it especially

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for adult learners as well, just to be able to watch and not have the audio on. I've done lectures while I'm putting my two year olds, before he was to to sleep.

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And I don't always have headphones on me, and I just need to watch lecture content.

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And they can also help clearly help with terminology, and then savvy people can search if they're coming back and studying for an exam they know certain subjects will be on the exam, they can search within either caption file or transcript and be able

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to say this is the part where they talked about x y&z.

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So Columbia does have a way to include automatic speech recognition captions, which I will blast through this page and show you how to do momentarily.

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And we will also talk about correcting those captions, because they don't have an extremely high accuracy, I want to say around 85 to 90%, which takes when your words aren't the and or when you're talking about more like specific and thinking like theological

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So it isn't captioned initially you can click the Import captions.

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And then it will say, upload automatic captions, and then it'll process for a little bit and automatically run your audio to try and put captions in at their specific times.

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And this part does take a little bit of time but edit and make sure that maybe large terms are spelled correctly, reading through to make sure for comprehension, if I have a question about what I actually said, at a certain point, if I click into the

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And this, I didn't have a great MC for. So that was it had a lot more difficulty trying to understand what I was saying, you can type in your captions and then when students watch it back after you hit Apply.

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They will be able to follow along with captions or transcripts or anything that the students need as well.

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I'm also at the very end of this going to put some links for further learning and tutorials if you do want to look up this PowerPoint later, we do have a wiki library of a whole bunch of resources for panoptic and other teaching ed tech resources as well,

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which I've been monitoring the chat, I think it's up there. And if it's not, I'll put it. But yeah, there's also upcoming plugging my own stuff. I do I will be going over the zoom one on one discussion on Wednesday August 25 so add that to your calendar

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it's going to be a blast, we might see a return to the tutorial duck I'm not gonna say anything to that.

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And then as always you can reach out to us at ETM help spu.edu, or joining us for our Friday dropping hours, which are open to all from 10 to two. Every Friday.

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So that is it thank you guys so much for joining me. I'm going to go ahead and stop the recording and then we'll have some time, I could interrupt for just one second, after all the recording.

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A quick note that the workshop on impulsivity next week is on Monday.

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One to two, not on Tuesday. I have the dates right and the day wrong.

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